Ken Johnson

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Find out what Ken Johnson says about Hebrew Roots.

“Hebrew roots may turn into we are better jews than you(s) so we are going to kill you” Ken Johnson

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call yeah so you brought this up to me
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and you showed me this video
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why don’t you kind of start off telling
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us like what we’re getting into
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yeah so Ken Johnson is somebody that you
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may have heard of and we definitely have
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used him he translated a bunch of the
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Dead Sea books like Enoch and Jasser and
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we’ve looked at those and use
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those and read those and he has some
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some some pretty cheap copies of those
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books that you can order and have and so
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hey you know he he’s somebody that I
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guess I’ve never really heard talk until
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recently and you know I just knew I knew
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that he didn’t share the same beliefs
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that we do but hey you know it’s one
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thing to know that and then to hear him
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talk so I used to listen to prophecy
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Watchers a lot with Gary Stearman kind
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of when I was waking up to Torah and
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it’s it’s ironic if you go watch this
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video
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behind Gary you will see a menorah and
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what else a shofar yeah those were all
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proudly displayed behind him and it’s
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kind of like that’s weird you know that
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he seems kind of trying to make this
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connection but it seems so far off yeah
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but but Ken Johnson it’s definitely not
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a fan of the Hebrew roots and in what we
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do and he has some interesting things
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and I also go
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I don’t think Ken knows anybody that
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does Hebrew roots I don’t think he knows
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one person from the video that they put
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out and didn’t know wouldn’t seem like
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it yes so like I think he’s talking
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about somebody and something that he has
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no idea what he’s talking about and so
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Ken if you ever listen to this Hey
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reach out to us we’d be happy to talk to
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you yeah anytime about this and and put
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a face you know well to an ideology
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maybe yeah I don’t know if we put my
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face on anything nobody wants to see
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that but because I’ve definitely got the
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face made for radio but so here we are
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on radio and but yeah I would love to
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talk to Ken about those things and and
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explain to him maybe a little bit more
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about who we are cuz clearly he’s got
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some misconceptions yeah about who we
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are what we do and that’s what we’re
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gonna kind of take a look at right yeah
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so let’s start right here and so in and
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so in this video if you do go watch it
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at some point Ken Johnson talks about
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acts 15 and says we don’t have to keep
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Jewish law at six minutes and eight
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seconds he says this
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yeah so everyone likes to use x-15 as a
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as a this these are the rules we follow
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now as acts 15 and so in verse 10 there
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it says now therefore why tempt to you
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Elohim to put a yoke upon the neck of
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the disciples which neither our fathers
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nor we were able to bear so what do you
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think he’s talking about the yoke of the
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disciples there so the yoke that they’re
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trying to put on okay so standard
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understanding of this right right your
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your Christian theology is gonna tell
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you that this is Torah right here he’s
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talking about but the context tells us
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that he’s talking about salvation
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through keeping Torah rotten so and I
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also believe he definitely and then in
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Matthew but these two scriptures are
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tied together Matthew 11:28 through 30
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come to me all ye who are tired from
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carrying heavy loads and that will give
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you rest place my yoke over your
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shoulders and learn from me because I am
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gentle and humble then you will find
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rest for yourselves because my yoke is
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easy and my burden is light
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and he is definitely comparing his
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commandments which were not new they
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were the same ones that he’d said before
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yeah since he was the word the Word made
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flesh and he is saying that these men
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these Pharisees came along and put
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unrealistic burdens upon people and tie
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and he says that over and over that he
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tied these hid the men were tying these
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heavy burdens on each other and they
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themselves are new than willing to lift
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a finger to help them lift them right
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and he’s saying my my yoke is not like
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that right but there is a yoke yes yes
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we like to think that well Messiah
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brings freedom he does mm-hmm it’s with
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this idea of
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freedom to write that’s kind of how we
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look at it we look at it with some
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Western mindset our freedom to do
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something instead of a freedom from
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something mm-hmm well I think we kind of
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look at it like the the old flag with
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the snake don’t tread on me how dare you
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tell me I can and can’t do anything
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right and and yeah definitely there was
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something else that come and came to
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mind but I’ll think about it later so so
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he started making this comparison
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between those who are messianic and
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those are Hebrew roots and so he has
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some quotes here and he talks about how
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down the Jewish side that are the
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Messianic side and he said something
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along the lines if Messianics are great
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Hebrew roots were causing them lots of
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problems right he said he has friends
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that are Messianics and Messianics are
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great mm-hmm so his darn Hebrew because
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he broods guys yeah messing it up for
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everybody and you know and then he’s
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talking about the Hebrew roots people
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and he says we’re Gentiles that somehow
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think that they are to follow the law
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everyone follows the the law everyone
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should be kosher or be executed what so
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that’s the stance he is assigning to
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Hebrew roots folks that somehow the
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thought is the ideology is well you need
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to keep kosher oh you’re gonna be
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executed now I don’t know if he’s read
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through Torah but the clean and unclean
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laws the punishment for that was not
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execution hmm there were there were laws
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where the with capital punishment shaven
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unclean food laws was not one of them no
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no definitely not so and I’m also like I
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don’t know anybody that’s that has a
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YouTube channel that has a website that
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any kind of fault nobody that I’ve ever
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listened to I’m yeah I’m sure there’s
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somebody out there there’s all kinds of
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people out there that say crazy stuff
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so yeah there may be somebody out there
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but nobody we know yeah
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comes out ever and talks about how we
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should kill people because they don’t
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follow Torah right I’ve never heard that
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or no no that was really stretching it
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and so that was a bizarre don’t get it
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he also said that Messianics teach
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Gentiles are not to follow Mosaic law
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and you know that that may be may be
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true right there there the stances that
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Noahide laws right mm-hmm and that the
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Gentiles
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you know once again he’s talking about
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Hebrew roots calling them Gentiles and
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that that says Gentiles who think we
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should follow Mosaic law Gentiles are
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forbidden to do such things that was a
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direct quote from him saying that we are
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not there’s a Gentile you are not even
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allowed to follow mosaic rule right he
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said you’re not allowed to do certain
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things in his example was the it was
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rules for the priests right not anyone
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could be a priest right so that was his
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kind of his justification mm-hmm for for
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how about it Gentiles weren’t a lot so
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you couldn’t be a Gentile and be a
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priest well you can you couldn’t be a
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Jew and be a priest either mm-hmm right
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yeah yeah cuz the Jew is who Jew is who
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ya from Judah right yeah mm-hmm
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tribe about one specific tribe so right
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and so I also go and I would say to Ken
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Johnson if you’re listening to this
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which which I know he is that you that
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you don’t know maybe you need to
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research that of what truly is a Jew and
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who that is you know and I know that a
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lot of people say you know district
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tribute people who follow Torah and call
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them Jews but but but we have learned
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differently you know that is one
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specific tribe right that you’re
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referring to any time you say that and
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there’s another quote here that I
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thought was really interesting Gary
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Stearman quoted scripture that
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talks about the heart of man is to keep
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the law about 12 minutes in until we
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have that as we saw yeah okay we’ll come
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back to that one in a minute so Oh
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and so then Gary Stearman does say you
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talk about Jewish holidays dot dot right
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and then if you’re following out can we
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be honest series yes to me can we be
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honest the Jews were one of twelve
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tribes no one in Christianity seems to
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remember this now as a Christian growing
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up I knew this and they set it all the
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time I didn’t – so it’s strange to me
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that guess you’re smarter than me I will
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no comment I can I can neither confirm
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nor deny no so yeah there’s it’s funny
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because you you you spend time in
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certain circles and you know there’s
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things you hear all the time then you
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talk to someone else and they’re like no
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I’ve never heard that before and it kind
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of blows your mind like oh because you
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think it’s common knowledge well that
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happens a lot with stuff that you pick
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up on and it’s like I’d never heard out
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so it’s it’s pretty common well growing
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up I always thought Jews were Jewish
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people who you know I didn’t even really
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know what it meant but it’s like the
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people in the Bible you know they were
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juice I’ll juice I love every one of
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them yeah so that’s all I knew I didn’t
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know that it was I didn’t know the
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history of how it you know went from the
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tribe of Judah to Yehuda or Yahoo’s and
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ended up giving short shortened to – Jew
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mm-hmm yeah so this was always kind of
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tricky for me because it seemed like
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when I started coming into Torah I don’t
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know if you ran into this but it was
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like all the things that the people I
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kind of grew up with in Christianity
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I like bring up some of this Torah stuff
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that aligned with Christian thinking
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like well we’re where the Israelites
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right now we’re claiming to be Israelite
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and the
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all of a sudden they were like it was
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they were gaslighting me like this no
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what are you talking about yeah okay
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song I’m thinking boys a movie oh but
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point being that somehow they just
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forgot all about the fact that this is
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what we grew up learning and this is
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what they were teaching me you know as
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oh yeah there were 12 tribes and oh yeah
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we’re Israelites it’s like and all of a
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sudden you bring up Torah and they they
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forget those things because you have to
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because if you accept that now you have
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to start changing the way you’re
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thinking about certain things yeah no I
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tried to find the song but I couldn’t Oh
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shucks you slow so and also King Johnson
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said the book of Acts says you are to be
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circumcised or die and then he talks
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again circumcise or die yeah and then he
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talked about how the Gentiles who think
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we should follow Mosaic law yeah he kind
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of ties those things together
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it’s he’s he’s saying that the same
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people in the book of Acts that are
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saying be circumcised or die are the
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same as these Hebrew roots Gentiles
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saying that we should follow the Mosaic
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law and we’ll have a quote here later
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that kind of shows you where he’s kind
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of tying these things together pretty
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incredible and then Ken Johnson says
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Gentiles quote unquote Gentiles can eat
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anything as long as they don’t eat it
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with the blood from Genesis 9 and then
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our question is can we be honest Noah
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was he a Gentile uh he was a dude right
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there were a lot of Jews in his day yes
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uh-huh
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false there were he was he’s free range
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for all that yes yes and yet he knew
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clean and
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and then it’s ironic too that the guy
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who helps and helps bring you know and I
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will back up just a second so I’m not
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trying to be critical of Ken Johnson I
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greatly appreciate his work I greatly
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appreciate that he’s gleaned information
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from the Dead Sea Scrolls and kind of
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brought it to life and put it in modern
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English and put it in people’s hands and
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you know he definitely I feel like has
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been used by the father to to do that
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and in those translations that he’s done
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it have definitely benefited me
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benefited me but in some of the stuff he
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did like the book of Jasher clearly
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shows that abraham was not what you
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would ever call a quote-unquote Jew like
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I said it’s before that even happened
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and he was clearly the son of an idol
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maker clearly what you would classify as
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Gentile he was called out of that
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lifestyle and called to be different in
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a young age and he crossed over and that
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that is much more of a theme than being
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a bloodline deal because he was not
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bloodline right yes yeah Hebrews caught
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one who crossed over right now I don’t
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know how many people understand the
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Genesis 9 thing because this was a kind
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of a big one that that new people came
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to get tangled up in you know much about
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that that verse that he’s pointing to
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there he was talking about Noah when he
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got off the ark and he made this
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sacrifice and that’s that’s about what I
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remember about it yeah so Yahweh says
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now you can eat all things all creatures
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are good to you something similar to
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them and then he says but they forget
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this part just as I’ve given you every
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green herb to eat now can you eat every
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green herb or do some kill you some kill
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you I’m just ask Chris McCandles who
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died in Alaska and a bus and he would
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tell you if he can talk because if
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not alive and you don’t ask him that’s
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necromancy yes this is bad we don’t
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recommend that please don’t do that but
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he clearly ate the wrong berry he’s no
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longer with us
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yeah so I’m not running around eating
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poison ivy mm-hmm
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call me crazy I don’t know what you guys
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do in Texas but MPA we don’t play that
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game but yeah so there there is a
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stipulation given to that all all
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animals no no that’s a that’s a good
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good observation about it too and
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clearly there was a distinction made
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between clean and so so it’s like so you
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want me to believe that
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there was this extra work and effort put
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into the animals on the ark of cleaning
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unclean and then all of a sudden the
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flood is gone everything’s dried up and
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like gone yeah that whole clean and
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unclean that we made you load up on the
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ark head that would that’s all right and
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then you bring it back later I mean yeah
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you have to look at it in the context of
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worries right now and what Noah already
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knows like this was one of the things
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that I would bring up early on is so
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there’s it’s it’s this whole idea of a
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schizophrenic Elohim right it’s well
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there’s clean and unclean laws then
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there’s no one clean and unclean then
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there’s clean and unclean again and now
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no clean and unclean again in this let’s
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give it the bunny ears quote-unquote
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dispensation in this dispensation and
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then hey bunnies are unclean yes true
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we’ll give them living bunny ears and
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not eat them but then in the Millennium
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right it’s back again somehow
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no it’s is it yes or no or who can keep
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track of all the mind changes of this
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never changing yeah he so can if you’re
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listening I challenge you to consider
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those things about you know why did
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clean it and clean what was it such a
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deal on the ark because the other
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question is did they come two by two on
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the ark right everyone says yes yes yes
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I love this one everyone play along at
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home
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and indulge me Matt if you will oh I
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love to indulge it yeah I live to do
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that exactly how many of each animal did
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Moses take on the ark Moses see you’re
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supposed to play along but yes I’m sorry
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most people do not catch staff and his
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Ten Commandments yeah so obviously
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people will say to write and then you’ll
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say well no it was Noah that took the
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ark and then you can correct them with
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the number as well it’s just kind of
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funny okay yeah I always tell people but
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y’all nice people my people go straight
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to two-by-two right but no I do
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appreciate you bringing up the fact that
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this isn’t like a put-down session on
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Ken this is yeah this is you know we’re
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trying to air out some some
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misunderstandings here and hopefully you
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know that comes across properly yeah
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yeah yeah yeah and then Ken Johnson also
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says Hebrew roots may turn into we’re
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better Jews then you I don’t know why I
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say use there but so we are going to
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kill you oh oh this use gotcha okay
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right now so this is remember a couple
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slides ago we said that this would come
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back yeah so I do you know anyone in
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Hebrew root saying well even on the
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verge of saying if you will better Jews
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than you so we’re gonna kill you no I
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don’t know anybody that’s ever said that
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so and if they have you know they are
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some whacked-out person who is a cult
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leader and probably is doing lots of
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really weird stuff yeah but that is
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definitely not a mainstream no no and
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and and definitely just like anything
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that you look at there are they’re crazy
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weird outliers and anything that you
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look at but in the bell curve yeah yeah
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yeah so but there is zero of that and in
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this theology we’re not attempting to be
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Jews
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Christianity has very little grasp of
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who Ephraim is and so you know we’re not
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trying to and we don’t want to be what
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what okay and I say when I say Jews I’m
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using Jews in the sense of who Gary
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Stearman and Ken Johnson defined as Jews
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as being people who follow man-made
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Torah and follow kebab Kabbalistic
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teachings helmet right yeah all these
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writings that were done and put more
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weight sometimes on that writing and
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tradition than they do scripture itself
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we want no part of that and we that
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that’s the same as going to you know a
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like a Catholic Church and bowing down
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and kissing the ring of the Pope it’s
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the same same deal right oh yeah so the
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that and I didn’t have much grasp of
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Ephraim Ephraim is monumentally
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important and I heard none of that in in
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terms of growing up none of them and so
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you and especially the the prodigal son
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story I had never put two and two
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together that identifying that as Judah
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and and Ephraim mm-hmm well we are
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always I was always taught that was the
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Gentiles oh you know yeah like the
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Gentile that and then the houses were
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getting reconciled but that’s yeah but
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that wasn’t right it is what you just
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said Ephraim and the two sticks becoming
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one right a same kind of concept so if
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you’re if you’re slim on your Ephraim
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understanding look into effort you need
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to crack that book open and research it
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so because it will help open your mind
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and to to that understanding ken johnson
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also says Paul says for no reason to
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allow ourselves to be circumcised and I
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believe that he there was some scripture
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is calling us out of Galatians yes
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there was a t-shirts oh yeah yeah
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Galatians and I think this was 13
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minutes in he said don’t allow yourself
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to be circumcised and then but but at
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the same token when you research this a
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little bit you do find that Paul
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circumcised Timothy a Greek right well
24:41
and here
24:43
apparently Paul said for no reason but
24:46
there’s a reason for him to do that to
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Timothy right yeah yeah so there there
24:54
are certain reasons to do it
24:55
yes mm-hmm and we could probably have a
24:58
hole actually I think when we did if you
25:03
look back at our collation study we
25:04
discussed a circumcision quite a bit and
25:08
I believe we may have even used the term
25:11
bag of foreskins or something that well
25:14
we did but that’s what they were doing
25:16
can we be honest they were that’s just
25:20
so gross so you want to think about it
25:22
so I had to bring it up again Ken
25:24
Johnson as a Roman can he said okay so
25:28
Ken Johnson is quoted as saying as his
25:31
Roman converts it Roman converts yes
25:36
let’s go Ezra thank you is Roman
25:39
converse it would be illegal to keep the
25:42
Feast a tabernacle so saying that
25:44
everyone that is converted from you know
25:47
Roman thinking it would be illegal for
25:51
us to keep Feast of Tabernacles and so I
25:53
ask you to refer to Ezra 44 Zechariah 14
25:57
Isaiah 66 23 from what information will
26:01
44 oh yes I’m gonna say yes I think I
26:07
actually in my mind I may have combined
26:08
Ezra in Ezekiel and set called them
26:11
Azariah or something yes find that 1/2
26:16
inches so Ezra 44 yes thank you for the
26:20
clarification is a major minor prophet
26:23
yes yes so and once again you know I do
26:26
want to say we don’t claim to be experts
26:29
we don’t claim to know everything there
26:31
is to know and we’re
26:33
a quest for truth hey I think I’ve heard
26:36
that somewhere before
26:36
mmm that was a long time ago Rob Skiba
26:40
if you he used to do a thing called
26:42
quest for truth oh I was thinking that
26:45
was a Monty Python saying no no no those
26:48
are the coconuts you hear over there but
26:52
anyway we are in a quest a quest for
26:55
truth too you know on our own trying to
26:58
figure these things out and so right but
27:01
but it does now I I’ll throw this in
27:06
recently I’ve been having a discussion
27:08
with someone where I’ve been accused of
27:12
have dismissing or throwing out
27:15
scriptures in order to prop up my stance
27:19
right but in order to say something like
27:23
kena’s implying here he’s not implying
27:27
it he’s directly saying it you have to
27:29
throw out scriptures like Ezekiel 44 in
27:32
Zechariah 14 in Isaiah 66 where clearly
27:36
it’s a new covenant time period where
27:41
all flesh comes performing to keep
27:43
Sabbath’s and new moons all flesh comes
27:45
before me for a feast of tabernacles
27:47
that’s not broken down and did you and
27:50
Gentile no no I mean you have to ignore
27:53
that to make this claim mm-hmm yeah no
27:57
let’s go and then Ken Johnson also talks
28:01
about at the end of each age and the
28:04
Gentiles who think that we should follow
28:07
Mosaic law yes sir to me this was a this
28:12
is kind of a I hate to use the word
28:15
trigger but I don’t know if we can even
28:17
say that but but so whenever I feel
28:22
triggered right so if you’re triggered
28:25
by the word triggered problems yeah so
28:29
whatever what and anyone’s saying at the
28:32
end of each age what does that make you
28:35
think of dispensationalism yeah exactly
28:40
me too so this to me is a red flag
28:41
already yeah ding ding ding ding and if
28:44
you don’t know what that is
28:44
you should probably gonna let that up
28:46
then learn what that is yeah 119
28:49
ministries has a good good teaching on
28:51
dispensationalism yeah yeah definitely
28:54
and then Deuteronomy 14 21 it’s the
28:58
scripture where they talk about feeding
29:00
the dead animal to a stranger and when
29:03
we went and licked that up in Hebrew the
29:05
word is how do you say that girl looks
29:10
like to me ger a temporary inhabitant
29:14
not someone grafted in so you know there
29:17
are different words in Hebrew you know
29:19
for instance not long a few weeks ago we
29:22
looked at the bond servant – who was a
29:25
part of a like your family and did what
29:29
you did and at the end of their in
29:32
indenture indentured servitude they
29:35
could make a decision at the point when
29:37
you had to release them because it was
29:39
in law it was in Torah to release them
29:42
you know they could make a decision and
29:43
be pierced and and be your servant that
29:47
person is somebody that is becomes like
29:51
a family member and they’re not a not an
29:55
alien or stranger they’re they’re part
29:57
of the family and so this word here is
29:59
definitely different this is a temporary
30:02
inhabitant as somebody that wasn’t
30:04
grafted in but he went on and on about
30:05
this one point for quite a while yeah
30:08
this was so we take the alien and
30:12
Sojourner and time into this stranger
30:15
concept the stranger is someone that’s
30:17
just hanging out for a while and they’re
30:18
not hanging around forever they’re not
30:21
trying to be proud of you they’re coming
30:23
through town and this I will say though
30:28
that this verse always perplexed me why
30:30
were able to do that ya know it’s like
30:34
it comes across as a different standard
30:37
right but it’s it’s someone who’s
30:40
rejected being grafted in with you yeah
30:45
I think it probably is when you read
30:48
Paul and he talks about the weaker
30:50
brother
30:53
you know there’s some of that language
30:55
that might even be connected to this you
30:59
know their conscience you know they’re
31:01
not there and so it’s not a deal to them
31:04
yeah and I wonder how much of it to is
31:06
is not why wanting to watch his creation
31:11
go to waste
31:12
also yeah yeah yeah that could be it too
31:14
so definitely something to ponder we’re
31:17
not saying we have that one figured out
31:19
and so I thought this was so interesting
31:21
and as he talked as he said this I was
31:25
like what what did you just say Gary
31:27
Stearman and he has this quote about how
31:29
he said and he fit he seems very sincere
31:34
at this point and also say I like Gary
31:36
Stearman he’s watched him before I ain’t
31:39
never seen it before but nefeli comes
31:40
across very Cindy seems very genuine I
31:43
don’t doubt that he’s a great guy I
31:44
don’t doubt either one of these are
31:45
great people and and do good things and
31:49
so but he said it was the heart of man
31:52
to keep the law twelve minutes in and
31:56
and he talked about how he felt with
32:00
some of his congregants when he would
32:01
preach that and I was like why yeah of
32:06
course I mean yeah you were testifying
32:09
to this very thing that you are trying
32:12
to attack yes it is in us to do these
32:15
things right that’s the whole concept of
32:18
the new covenant mm-hmm and if you and
32:20
if you just to me if you just think
32:22
about it in an opposite way you know so
32:24
okay so what’s the opposite of this it
32:29
would be the thing that is on the other
32:32
side of the discussion yeah you know you
32:36
know a so if you’re not keeping law you
32:41
are keeping lawlessness yeah and so we
32:44
know we know that that’s not a good
32:47
thing exactly he also puts in this
32:50
concept of it’s it the heart of man to
32:52
keep the moral law mm-hmm all right so
32:55
fine find that in your scripture
32:58
somewhere mm-hmm ken johnson says
33:01
galatians is about quote don’t let
33:04
yourselves be circumcised
33:06
sir you’re a debtor to the whole law
33:08
then Paul circumcised Timothy causing
33:11
him to be a debtor to the whole law why
33:14
would he do that to someone that Paul
33:16
he’s a character
33:17
when in Rome right do as the Romans do
33:21
yeah so on this one now it does say that
33:29
in there don’t let yourself be
33:31
circumcised or you’re a debtor to the
33:33
whole law mm-hmm but that’s not what
33:36
Galatians is about Galatians was about
33:40
well what we talked about last time
33:42
right it was Paul is combating an
33:45
argument of salvation through the law
33:48
yeah and that’s why it’s important to
33:51
bring up things like if you think the
33:55
law is gonna save you and you get
33:58
circumcised to prove it now you got to
34:00
keep the whole law because your intent
34:02
is salvation because I’m circumcised
34:06
when that’s not that’s not Torah and
34:09
that’s not what Paul preached yeah yeah
34:12
let’s go
34:14
ken Johnson said I also said Jews should
34:19
say state Jews and Gentiles state
34:21
Gentiles you guys quit mixing it up here
34:23
it’s making it too confusing and then
34:26
you read Ephesians 2:12 Galatians 2:15
34:30
and you see these terms by Baal who talk
34:34
about how we all are one in Yeshua right
34:40
neither Jew nor Greek right slave or
34:44
free may on their female yes now that
34:47
doesn’t mean what the spirit of the age
34:50
is talking about it means we all know
34:53
what a Georgia knee but yes that whole
34:58
concept when he is saying just a Jews
35:00
and Gentiles state Gentiles where where
35:02
do you come up with that where who says
35:04
that now I think what he’s trying to go
35:08
with is where it says if you’re
35:12
circumcised stay circumcised let the
35:15
uncircumcised you know if you came in
35:17
uncircumcised
35:19
stay uncircumcised
35:20
now we know that there’s more to that
35:24
because of Ezekiel 44 talking about the
35:28
new age the new temple no one can come
35:31
in who’s not circumcised the flesh and
35:33
hurt so so you got to go into the into
35:37
detail of what he’s Paul saying when he
35:39
says that but it’s not saying what ken
35:42
was telling him is no and I really think
35:44
on that circumcision concept that’s
35:46
something you really got you gotta go
35:47
all the way back to the beginning and
35:49
look and see like we know we talked
35:52
about it in Galatians but about how
35:55
Jacob and Esau were different and they
35:58
both had a circumcision of the flesh you
36:01
know I don’t see the reason to think
36:04
that they didn’t and but they are two
36:08
very different because one had a
36:10
circumcised heart the other didn’t and
36:13
one was blessed and the other one was
36:16
not and so I mean he does does have a
36:20
blessing on him but it’s but there’s
36:23
definitely a clear difference in there
36:25
is this concept of having a circumcised
36:27
heart is is something right right
36:33
because then Timothy would have not
36:36
stayed a Gentile then right by that by
36:40
that law oh and then we get into about
36:43
15 minutes into that video starts
36:44
talking about holidays which is always a
36:46
hot button and one that we have to deal
36:49
with and for instance you know I just
36:52
requested Passover and feast of
36:58
unleavened bread off at work and you
37:01
know it’s causing me a little grief
37:03
because this is our busiest time of year
37:05
and you know they they weren’t too happy
37:10
about it and they’re saying things like
37:11
well we’re just so we’re not gonna pay
37:14
you for your time and the and then I
37:17
explained it I was like you know this is
37:18
a religious holiday for me right and
37:20
then they you know they cater to that oh
37:24
so oh we don’t want to be sued so I’m
37:29
like okay well so and that kind of
37:32
changed the argue
37:33
a little bit you know when they when I
37:36
explained it to him that way but but the
37:38
holiday thing you know definitely and he
37:42
gave this this concept of in Ezra that
37:46
there was null affection and he said
37:48
that you don’t throw it away you just
37:51
nullify it it’s like if I could if I was
37:53
good at editing I would take sections of
37:57
that video and have him saying nullified
38:00
nullified over and over and over or
38:01
something you know yeah make a make a
38:03
gif or a jiff what do you say gif or Jif
38:06
I don’t like to be put on the spot like
38:09
that but I say gif because the G in
38:15
American says good the G in American
38:19
right we’re how do you spell American
38:22
with the G am G I’m Rickon okay all
38:27
right thank you for clearing that right
38:29
up for everyone we do give spelling
38:33
lessons on the side so if you need help
38:35
with that just go just a sample yeah
38:38
just call one eight hundred seven longe
38:40
and we’ll get you hooked up on that I
38:42
did call when I had my own John and I
38:47
can’t remember
38:48
and somebody did answer it and I was
38:51
like oh who are you what do you have my
38:53
phone number anyway maybe one day we’ll
38:59
call that live on some on our broadcasts
39:02
and that’s thank you and have a
39:03
conversation okay maybe we should do
39:05
that sounds like a great idea yeah so
39:07
anyway what were you gonna say anyway so
39:09
yeah this concept is gonna come up again
39:11
later and they’ll be more points to
39:13
bring up on the don’t throw it away just
39:14
nullify it thing and he’s saying that
39:18
this is a Jewish concept and he’s all
39:20
about it so but yeah I think there’s
39:26
there’s better example lay down and look
39:31
at Ephesians 2:12 and Galatians 2:15 for
39:34
more information so and then I put the
39:37
definition of nullified then it to make
39:41
legally null and void invalidate and
39:45
then you know Ken Johnson said if
39:47
Holliday has paganism it needs nullified
39:51
not done away with I’m like huh yeah why
39:57
nullify according to this definition
40:01
says to make null and void and validate
40:04
it’s almost like it means done away with
40:08
very similar I think if if we’re going
40:14
to say we want to nullify abortion which
40:17
we we would like to do that I think most
40:20
people would understand that that means
40:22
what do away with yes oh like Matthew
40:29
five and you didn’t come to to nullify
40:33
the law or void null and void void the
40:37
law he came to fill fulfill it yeah so
40:43
he didn’t come to do away with the law
40:45
so if we go to the judge and they
40:48
nullify our ticket was that mean I think
40:52
they’ve done away with it I think so too
40:55
but the point here I can never in my
40:58
wildest imagining hey if a holiday has
41:03
paganism don’t do away with it
41:07
violet I know I was gonna nullify it
41:11
I’ll which does mean do away with I
41:14
don’t it’s a weird situation is kind of
41:18
a a concept yeah like just like
41:21
dispensationalism doesn’t mean time
41:24
period but that’s how it to use right
41:26
mm-hmm so um the whole yeah you it’s all
41:34
throughout scripture don’t do what the
41:36
pagan heathens are doing so I don’t know
41:39
how yeah you have to twist Scripture so
41:43
much to get into to to try to balance
41:50
out the the scales when you’re bringing
41:52
stuff up like this yeah agreed
41:55
so then he gets touches the cult subject
41:58
and so and you know as soon as he said
42:00
the word cult
42:01
like wait wait what did you just say
42:03
cult we’re going here are we okay we’re
42:06
going here alright can let you know and
42:09
then when he went on this to me I you
42:15
know this is a part of it where I start
42:17
to you know to get maybe a little angry
42:19
at him and you know and up until this
42:21
point you know I’m like yeah you know
42:24
he’s a guy he he’s just like us he
42:27
doesn’t have it all figured out but when
42:28
you start going down this road that’s
42:30
that’s a different tone that’s a
42:33
different attitude and I’m like wow and
42:36
he said his quote was a cult cult
42:38
according to Church Fathers
42:40
ding-ding-ding-ding alert red flag
42:43
Church Fathers first off I don’t even
42:46
know who you know is he referring to
42:49
mmm-hmm as anyone who denies the
42:52
divinity of Messiah or Trinity and show
42:57
me in Hebrew show me in the Greek where
43:01
you know the concept of the Trinity is
43:05
found and so that mean that that is
43:08
something you’ve got a research and
43:09
figure out and I will be the first to
43:11
say that is a complicated subject and my
43:15
belief on the Trinity is that we have
43:19
some words to kind of hang on something
43:21
that is so complex that our human feeble
43:24
little human brain can’t understand
43:26
because it is such a wild concept and he
43:31
gave us some words in some ways to try
43:33
to try to put a frame around it to help
43:35
us understand what it is and one day
43:37
we’re gonna truly find out what all that
43:40
all that meant and we’re gonna go oh
43:42
that’s how that works
43:43
right and we’ll act like we knew it all
43:45
along oh yeah I knew it was something
43:47
like that
43:48
yeah and will be this evening and I
43:50
think I think there are a lot of people
43:51
that do admit that but but well my point
43:54
in all this is we all should use
43:57
scripture over these Church Fathers
44:00
anytime somebody starts bringing up the
44:02
Church Fathers I it does not sit well
44:05
with me and this I knew who are those
44:07
guys who cares what they said just like
44:10
me you shouldn’t care what I say or what
44:12
Jake says what
44:14
the texts say that’s what matters yeah
44:16
and I think very early on in my walk
44:20
here this before I even knew this Torah
44:26
thing existed I this was kind of one of
44:31
the first questions that kind of I took
44:34
a serious look at the Trinity and what
44:37
what Christianity professed about it and
44:41
that kind of got me down the road of of
44:46
asking more and more questions but and
44:50
this question right here of what a cult
44:54
is and it being defined as denying the
44:57
divinity of Messiah right never once do
45:02
you see someone especially Yeshua when
45:07
people are asking them what do I need to
45:09
do to be saved when they come to Paul
45:11
and say what’s the deal what do I got to
45:14
do never once do they say you have to
45:16
believe this yeah
45:18
now in order in order to be in good
45:20
standing so when the church likes not
45:24
like it’s a test
45:25
oh so you you want to follow me to
45:28
explain to me how am i you know how can
45:34
I be the the son the father yeah I mean
45:38
you don’t see any conversation like
45:40
there’s no lift must estimate no yeah we
45:48
have all people and you had plenty of
45:50
opportunity to bring it up yeah and they
45:52
never do and it comes down to this this
45:56
note you put here about I went online
45:59
and I actually googled this where this
46:01
came from and so the first offense that
46:04
the doctorate of Trinity was in the
46:06
early third century by the early church
46:08
father how do you say his name
46:10
Tertullian he explicitly defined the
46:13
treaty as Father Son and Holy Spirit and
46:15
definitive theology against Firaxis
46:17
though he noted the majority of the
46:20
believers in his day found found the
46:22
issue with his doctrine so that’s where
46:24
it comes from it comes from that one
46:26
particular person is kind
46:27
yeah you know can consider the father of
46:31
that if you will
46:32
yeah Tertullian it kind of sounds like a
46:35
type of pasta maybe maybe maybe to
46:39
tortellini
46:40
maybe this okay it makes me think of the
46:44
bread and sauce we talked about at some
46:46
point hmm we need to stop doing this one
46:49
we’re hungry and I guess so and then you
46:52
know his definition of a cult is anyone
46:56
who claims a belief that theology is
46:59
opposite and you know that one I was
47:03
like okay so maybe you know are you
47:07
saying that Paul himself was was part of
47:11
this because Paul himself says I do what
47:15
I don’t want to do and so I’m like do
47:21
you really mean what you’re saying there
47:23
because don’t we all have beliefs that
47:28
we don’t act on and sometimes do the
47:30
opposite and things we know to be true
47:33
and sometimes you know we know we’re not
47:35
supposed to we know we’re supposed to
47:37
follow the laws of man and we’re know
47:39
we’re not it’s probably supposed to
47:40
speed but just sometimes do you go 70 80
47:43
90 miles an hour
47:46
yep probably you probably do I do so and
47:51
Matt can be found at no I’m so I think
48:00
maybe another way to look at this is
48:03
that perhaps he’s he’s trying to say
48:07
that you claim that you’re a Christian
48:11
see and this is very confusing to me I’m
48:14
not exactly sure where he’s trying to go
48:16
assist because they in the video he he
48:19
brings up the example of it’s like a
48:21
Christian claiming to be it’s like
48:24
someone claiming to be a Christian but
48:26
then doing the opposite things a
48:29
Christian would do and sure but that
48:33
doesn’t make it a cult you know and he
48:38
brings up like a Hindu or
48:41
doing the same thing yeah if you’re
48:43
claiming to be a Muslim but you do the
48:45
opposite of what a Muslim would do
48:47
that’s not what it called it yeah so I
48:49
can remember back in back in the day
48:52
when I was a kid and I was in school and
48:55
I think I was working on a college
48:58
degree and which I did obtain and I
49:01
thank you thank you yeah it’s actually
49:04
right there and that that’s you you see
49:06
it but but I can remember being in some
49:09
class and we were talking about cults
49:12
for some reason and I can remember the
49:15
definition and isn’t passed out some
49:17
kool-aid
49:17
yes they did they and I said I’d pass on
49:21
the blue kool-aid but the but the
49:25
definition of a cult was probably it so
49:27
a sociology class and it might have been
49:29
a class in which we dealt with social
49:31
problems that we saw in society and this
49:35
was about the time of David Koresh and
49:38
because I’m old and but but I can
49:41
remember in that class the definition
49:43
they gave me of a cult was it’s
49:47
something that has a very strong a must
49:50
dictator like leader that is charismatic
49:54
and you know gets people to believe in
49:58
this this thing and rallies I’m around
50:01
but the but there’s a central figure
50:03
that is the that that’s part of the cult
50:07
thing and you know that doesn’t that’s
50:10
not happening in Hebrew roots there’s
50:11
not like one central person there are
50:14
same the leader of yeah mm-hmm it’s
50:17
Yeshua yeah no right and there are
50:20
definitely some people that follow
50:21
different things but but yeah I don’t
50:25
know any one person that’s claiming to
50:27
be the be-all end-all and you have to be
50:30
like them and look like them and I think
50:31
of David Koresh and yeah he was a cult
50:34
leader absolutely and so so can I do
50:38
take offense when you tried to say that
50:41
what we’re doing is a part of a cult
50:45
so you serve that this is incorrect and
50:47
and I would be I would love to have the
50:50
discussion with you and explain to you
50:53
what we do
50:55
it looks like and how it is nothing like
50:59
a cult and so I mean if you have watched
51:02
this Ken Johnson and you’re kind of on
51:04
the fence about you know this movement
51:07
and what we’re doing just know that that
51:09
is that is incorrect this is nothing
51:11
nothing like any of that right and then
51:18
he talks about replacement and you know
51:23
in replacement theology and in the
51:26
Hebrew roots they did you know now I
51:29
can’t remember oh so his point on this
51:32
and it was kind of confusing to me could
51:37
because it’s not what you typically hear
51:39
he’s saying that replacement theology in
51:44
terms of Hebrew roots is that that the
51:49
Hebrew roots people are trying to
51:52
replace the Jews you want real Jews
51:55
right and it’s us that are the chosen
51:59
people now growing up my understanding
52:02
of replacement theology was while the
52:05
church replaces it replaces Israel
52:08
essentially so that’s to me that’s a
52:12
Christian ideology is this replacement
52:14
yeah it’s enough of Christianity yeah to
52:17
me it is definitely so when I heard him
52:19
bring this up pointing it at Hebrew
52:22
roots it didn’t make much sense to me
52:25
mmm-hmm yeah because he said that Hebrew
52:28
roots denied user Jews claim Paul is
52:32
apostate claim no new covenant
52:34
replacement theology and you know yes
52:39
I’ve heard some people be very very
52:41
harsh on Paul and and make those claims
52:44
but but but that doesn’t mean that every
52:48
person that is in Hebrew roots thinks
52:51
that about Paul I think Paul with it
52:53
that’s a mainstream yeah yeah that is
52:56
very much a minority opinion and and
52:59
most of us go Paul is was very smart and
53:03
he understood this Torah at a level that
53:08
I think
53:08
that yeshua wants us all to be ad yeah
53:11
but step one is you have to know the
53:14
Torah and Paul knew it yeah it’s you
53:17
can’t know what Paul wrote until you
53:20
read what he’s read exactly you could
53:22
put that it’s gonna be on our next shirt
53:23
right there that’s right mm-hmm I mean
53:26
say why for in the Sabbath Island shop
53:28
yes also would have to be coming up soon
53:31
if that’d be coming soon yes No yeah
53:36
early on I was seeing people that were
53:39
like if you look at the black Hebrew
53:43
Israelites hmm they’re kind of in this
53:45
deny the Jews arduous situation and and
53:49
I started calling around on the
53:52
fellowship finders and I I’d hear people
53:57
say well you know we we don’t even think
54:00
the New Testaments valid anymore and
54:02
they would take Paul right and we’ll
54:05
take Paul out of it so I was hearing
54:08
these things ruin people that were now I
54:10
won’t say they were Hebrew roots because
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I didn’t ask them and they were confused
54:15
yeah but so early on and even now I
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don’t necessarily tie myself to Hebrews
54:23
but of the people that I know that do
54:27
right it’s they’re not saying this stuff
54:30
yeah no hmm so so I don’t know yeah well
54:37
then how do you say that word right
54:39
there
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suppression ISM supersessionism that’s
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it yes yeah replacement theology is a
54:47
Christian doctrine ding-ding-ding just
54:49
what you said it’s a Christian doctrine
54:51
which asserts that the New Covenant
54:53
through Jesus Christ Sir Percy
54:55
supersedes the Old Covenant which made
54:58
excuses
54:58
exclusively for the Jewish people in
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Christian I say it supersessionism
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humanity supersessionism yeah is a
55:08
theology view on the current status of
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the church in relation to Jewish people
55:13
in Judaism it holds the Christian Church
55:15
has succeeded the Israelites is the
55:18
definitive people of God so it’s exactly
55:21
what you were saying
55:22
that that it is confusing because that I
55:26
just went and googled replacement
55:29
theology and I’m pretty sure that came
55:31
up and brought maybe the Wikipedia page
55:33
is pretty easy to find that I’m like
55:35
well what are you talking about cuz
55:37
seems the opposite of what you just said
55:39
can ya please define that can and then
55:43
Gary Stearman goes on to talk about law
55:45
vs. grace and a paradigm shift is needed
55:49
right so my my idea is that there’s a
55:57
paradigm shift needed Gary Stevens idea
56:01
is and there’s always this we have to be
56:06
there has to be this conflict between
56:09
law and grace
56:10
it’s either law or its grace so you can
56:13
can be both right and the paradigm shift
56:16
is we need to come away from this law
56:18
versus grace it’s how do they work
56:21
together
56:22
yeah because otherwise you’re lawless
56:27
right Hebrews says that you don’t want
56:31
to insult the spirit of grace right Paul
56:35
says all the time shall we continue in
56:38
sin that grace may abound that’s
56:40
insulting the spirit of grace by the way
56:42
he says by no means right so do not
56:45
continue transgressing the law just
56:48
because you have grace if you’re doing
56:50
that you’re insulting the spirit of
56:52
grace and Hebrews a very harsh about the
56:56
people doing that and it’s it’s that in
57:00
the it’s in the context of the person
57:04
who falls away from the faith
57:08
hashtag once saved always saved right oh
57:10
my gosh don’t even get me started on
57:13
that I remember I’ve heard that
57:15
conversation recently where people are
57:17
like one side always say I’m just like
57:20
well I can’t even can’t even go into
57:23
this but but this law verse is a grace
57:27
thing – it’s like you you don’t know
57:29
what happened at Mount Sinai do you you
57:33
forgot the
57:35
there was this calf and the people made
57:38
it literally while Moses is that they’re
57:42
getting probably at the very moment when
57:45
they when the commandment is read about
57:49
not making and having any other God
57:52
before him
57:53
that’s about the minute this probably
57:55
went down yeah and and the father comes
58:00
down on the mountain is like Moses look
58:02
at those people your people down there
58:05
and he was ready to wipe him out and
58:08
because Moses who represents a type and
58:11
shadow of Yeshua himself steps in and
58:14
goes hey wait a minute wait a minute
58:15
this this I get it you’re right you
58:19
could destroy them all and repopulate
58:21
this whole thing and start over with me
58:23
yes yes it could be done but you know
58:26
that’s grace that’s that’s that’s the
58:29
that’s exactly and people forget that
58:32
they just think everything in the Old
58:34
Testament is nothing but law yeah and
58:37
harsh and you know I talked to I like
58:41
that by the way that’s a good it’s law
58:43
and grace happening at the same exact
58:45
time yeah that’s a good point but yeah I
58:48
just talked to someone today about how
58:52
we were talking about New Covenant
58:55
because I’ve been having a discussion
59:00
with someone else about it and currently
59:02
I’m a little misunderstood on my
59:04
standing on that but that’s off topic
59:07
but the point being I brought up well so
59:14
the Old Covenant is is likened to law
59:18
it’s you know tied together with the law
59:21
and the New Covenant is tied together
59:22
with grace right it’s this age of grace
59:26
right so I said well wasn’t there
59:33
grace before and this person didn’t know
59:38
about grace and mercy in the Old
59:42
Testament it’s all over the daily now
59:44
that existed yeah
59:46
yeah so it’s everywhere it’s not a New
59:50
Testament concept it’s a reminding
59:54
people there is grace and mercy mm-hmm
59:57
no and it’s a physical playing out of
60:02
that grace and mercy no no for sure
60:06
Gary’s sermon also taught okay so we’re
60:09
gonna go back to the holiday thing and
60:11
at some point Gary sermon says if it’s a
60:14
secular holiday it’s perfectly fine
60:16
right there’s no rule against secular
60:19
holiday and my thing is who says that
60:22
who says right I
60:26
I know scripture doesn’t say that yes
60:29
no there isn’t there there’s never
60:33
grounds to be secular right it’s you’re
60:36
never okay now you can be doing secular
60:40
things right it’s not it’s not a thing
60:44
let’s do a mean it’s okay for your kids
60:46
to watch the Disney that’s what the
60:51
going rate is apparently yeah they’re
60:54
all about family it’s family right it’s
60:57
just a secular family thing yes and
61:00
there was a time when I used to think
61:01
that about Disney and had no clue and
61:04
then when my eyes were opened I was like
61:06
oh my gosh yeah definitely so if you’ve
61:11
never looked into that look into that
61:13
and then so he goes in and he talks more
61:17
about he talked about the pan
61:20
Babylonians everything was pagan and
61:23
they talked about the Nullification and
61:26
then he talked about how at some point
61:29
in here at the conversation about 1959
61:32
it so it’s about the nineteen minute
61:34
mark in that video where you start to
61:36
see this and he talked about the
61:39
Christmas tree and how it wasn’t it’s
61:42
not the Asscher pole so those those of
61:45
you that have read Jeremiah where it
61:47
says they cut down the tree and off
61:50
dawned you know thought it was silly
61:53
yeah
61:54
they dust on his some doth word in there
61:57
yeah and any
61:59
like that Christmas tree that’s not that
62:03
because that was a living shrine yeah so
62:09
and and when you cut down the tree it’s
62:13
no longer living
62:14
it can’t be an Asscher a tree and then
62:18
my question is this why do you water the
62:22
tree when you cut it and put it in your
62:24
house and so I’m like so I would tell
62:28
you Ken Johnson I used to be a science
62:30
teacher and so Ken please explain to me
62:32
I mean I understand kind of what you’re
62:34
trying to say but do this little
62:36
experiment at home mr. Johnson is take a
62:40
piece of celery and put it in a glass of
62:44
kool-aid and you know see what happens
62:48
with the xylem and phylum that are in
62:50
the celery in you talent you know yes it
62:54
technically is not alive anymore but
62:56
somehow it transports material so it’s
63:00
veins somehow it continues to live yes
63:03
yes just like this Christmas tree
63:05
somehow soaks up the water into its
63:09
system so you know it isn’t a stage of
63:14
life still yes still I mean sure it’s
63:19
struggling for gasping for water
63:22
apparently then yeah you can you can see
63:25
it’s still taking in nourishment mm-hmm
63:28
and then that quote there – that made me
63:32
chuckle – there’s nothing pagan to it
63:35
I’m like well maybe your definition of
63:38
pagan is different than my definition of
63:40
pagan I don’t know pretty pagan quite
63:44
pain you show me in scripture where it
63:46
says hey you guys you know what this is
63:50
how you know and now that Yeshua is no
63:54
longer with us
63:54
this is how we’re gonna celebrate him is
63:57
we’re gonna go cut a tree down and bring
64:00
it in our house and put some lights on
64:01
it and we’re gonna say this is him hmm
64:05
there’s no scripture that even remotely
64:08
talks about it except for Jeremiah and
64:11
it clearly says
64:12
don’t cut tree and do something with it
64:15
and so I’m gonna lean to Jeremiah on
64:18
this and go there’s something there that
64:20
I’m not supposed to do yeah and even if
64:22
you don’t even if you don’t see Jeremiah
64:25
that way it says don’t worship me you
64:29
know the way that the heathens worship
64:31
their gods mm-hmm and clearly we can
64:35
look in history this is a way that the
64:37
heathens would worship their gods
64:39
clearly it’s not the way
64:40
Yeshua worshiped it’s not the way Paul
64:43
worship mm-hmm Paul says walk as I walk
64:46
as I walk as Messiah walks right I says
64:49
walk as I walk none of them will walk in
64:51
over to the old Christmas tree no no
64:55
they weren’t and they certainly weren’t
64:56
bowing down to it getting their presence
64:58
and once again it’s not an idol but
65:01
people do bow down to it put their head
65:04
down low as they reach down to get the
65:07
presence tell me that’s not bowing so
65:11
and then you know he went on to talk
65:16
about at some point they even there was
65:20
a monk who used a Christmas tree put it
65:22
upside down to teach the Trinity barely
65:27
birth Martin Luther was quoted at some
65:28
point saying there’s nothing pagan with
65:30
it you know church father said it
65:36
no it must must be true so what it said
65:39
so shall it be done yes yes I think
65:42
that’s the way it goes right that’s the
65:44
quote that’s how they say in
65:45
Pennsylvania anyway yeah mm-hmm but but
65:50
definitely research if you’ve never
65:51
researched the Christmas tree and pagan
65:54
traditions you should do that because
65:57
you know that did raise a lot of
65:59
questions for me because I I always knew
66:03
that issue wasn’t born on December 25th
66:06
and and in Natalie they even say this in
66:09
that video you know and yes correct
66:12
but there is no scripture that you can
66:16
convince me that the traditions and the
66:21
things that we do at Christmas are
66:22
things that are commanded
66:24
and that we’re supposed to do now I
66:27
there now I know there’s like warnings
66:33
and stuff that Yeshua and Paul give its
66:38
although with Old Testament but but just
66:41
to be on the same page with someone who
66:43
would be talking about this is there
66:46
somewhere where it might say that
66:52
holding to the traditions of men or
66:54
something not that is a good thing not a
66:57
good thing it’s always right was a bad
67:00
thing and clearly if nothing else on its
67:06
face you’d have to say this is a
67:07
tradition of man for sure yeah at the
67:10
very that’s your low bar mm-hmm and that
67:14
is an argument I’ve had with people
67:16
before where I’ve said show me in
67:18
scripture where I’m supposed to worship
67:19
baby Jesus in the manger and always you
67:22
know everything goes back to tell the
67:24
good nights in my life and wait no what
67:27
and in that moment of dear baby Jesus
67:31
six pound 8 ounces laying there in the
67:34
manger you know unfortunately that movie
67:39
in that section did strike such a chord
67:42
about how people want to think about
67:44
Jesus you know he’s a little baby he’s
67:46
cute he’s harmless she can kind of
67:48
cuddle him in your arms and that’s
67:51
that’s where they want to keep him at
67:52
you know they want to keep him right
67:54
there that’s easy until that’s part of
67:56
the you know what happens at Christmas
67:58
is there that’s the part of him they
68:01
want to remember they don’t like to talk
68:03
about the part of him when he’s riding
68:05
the white horse and the blood comes up
68:07
to its bridle that they don’t know that
68:10
guy yeah literally
68:12
right so and they’re gonna be surprised
68:15
when they see him and the other thing I
68:18
think you’ve gotta research is go back
68:20
and look at that Golden Calf story and
68:21
that’s what really did it for me is when
68:23
I started looking at that story and
68:25
realized that people build this calf you
68:28
know first they go to Aaron and they’re
68:29
like Aaron no Buster’s calf and then and
68:32
then there’s so many questions I have
68:34
about that story where I’m like Aaron
68:37
where
68:38
seems like a pretty stand-up guy and
68:40
he’s like okay that people would do this
68:43
I’m like what happened are you afraid
68:46
they’re we’re gonna kill you then maybe
68:48
he was I don’t know
68:50
well to hear his side he just threw the
68:52
goals in and hops you just pop right out
68:54
but when the people are like we did this
68:57
in honor of you you know that’s exactly
69:00
what they say and you know it goes into
69:03
that argument of what people say about
69:05
Christmas is it’s not how it’s it’s how
69:09
I make it that’s what it means
69:11
yeah yeah I think yeah we lose focus on
69:17
lose track of the fact that it doesn’t
69:19
matter how we look at it it’s how does
69:21
he look at it and I got an experiment
69:23
for you Jake to try this and so you’re a
69:26
married man
69:27
and you definitely have loved other
69:28
loved ones in your in your life but you
69:31
know the wife is this important thing
69:33
and sometimes this man you know we
69:35
definitely don’t want to be like our oh
69:38
excuse me our grandfathers and fathers
69:41
that we’re like woman I told you I love
69:44
you 35 years ago and I’ll let you know
69:47
if that changes so you know I don’t know
69:50
anyone i don’t recommend taking that
69:55
approach in case you know it’s probably
69:58
not gonna go well but you know the
70:01
little experiment that you can do to see
70:04
if does it matter what your intent is
70:07
versus what the card is you know there
70:09
was a time in my life when I get so
70:11
annoyed and let go it certain holidays I
70:14
used to celebrate who I don’t celebrate
70:16
anymore and all these people are
70:18
standing looking at these gift cards and
70:19
they’re just reading them and picking
70:21
them up and then it’s taken forever for
70:23
these people to make a decision and if
70:26
you haven’t noticed sometimes I can be a
70:28
pretty decisive clear and cut and to the
70:30
point person and I remember thinking it
70:33
was a lot of fun I have the kids up with
70:35
me and like my kids watch this and I
70:37
just close my eyes I’d go right up to
70:39
the card rack and just be like yep
70:43
that’s what that’s what mom gets I just
70:46
close my eyes and pick it out and if it
70:47
says happy birthday son
70:50
mom this guy didn’t wanna stand there
70:53
forever it became kind of a fun thing
70:57
but I got lots of laughs out of it but I
71:01
can tell you that you know when I give
71:03
that to my wife and and I take a sharpie
71:06
and go um scratch that out wife yeah and
71:11
give that to her you know it just it’s
71:12
not quite the same same and so so I
71:16
don’t really get to take something that
71:19
is pagan and mark it up and change it
71:22
and and then give it to them and go this
71:26
is what I mean yes he doesn’t have to
71:28
accept what you’re offering yeah yeah
71:31
yeah and in my wife and no way you know
71:34
thought it was funny my kids thought it
71:36
was funny and I like telling that story
71:38
but but yeah she was not amused and I
71:42
didn’t earn points with her but I mean
71:45
that’s just that’s just what I did
71:48
gasps so anyway it is kind of a fun
71:54
thing to try as a social experiment okay
71:56
we’ll see if that happens
71:58
yeah Andy Andy really shows in him since
72:01
you said how well it turned out yes yes
72:03
and you really show them who’s boss when
72:06
you do that the people standing around
72:08
trying to figure out what card to get
72:10
they don’t even notice
72:11
yeah I bet in my mind it seems like this
72:14
great thing and they’re just like oh he
72:18
rules it there he’s in charge yes I’m a
72:23
legend in my own mind Jake yes so it’s a
72:29
small place so and I theta peers this is
72:33
our last of my slide won’t go anymore so
72:37
was there anything I’m looking back at
72:40
my notes and you know this video is
72:43
about 25 minutes and
72:48
so anyway well yeah we noticed some
72:52
issues that were brought up and some
72:54
falsehoods being spread about Hebrew
72:56
roots and so we wanted to kind of
72:59
address it and once again I do reach out
73:02
to Gary Stearman in Ken Johnson and I
73:04
would love to have them talk to us about
73:08
these things and I am by no means I’m
73:10
trying to spread hate I’m not trying to
73:13
spread rumors I’m not trying to spread
73:16
gossip I would love to have face-to-face
73:19
conversation with them about who we are
73:21
what we do and I think they’re all
73:24
confused about these things and yeah and
73:26
so anyway I think that’s it yeah and I
73:31
think I think we covered it all right
73:34
well once again we appreciate you taking
73:36
time to listen to Shabbat lounge or
73:38
Sabbath lounge and you can google us you
73:41
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73:43
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73:48
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73:49
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73:56
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73:59
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74:03
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74:06
appreciate that and hope that this could
74:10
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74:12
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74:15
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74:21
appreciate that
74:22
open up that doorway that dialogue would
74:25
be happy to to do that and so once again
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